Matt Birkhold on Becoming More Fully Human

At the onset of the COVID-19 global pandemic, Visionary Organizing Lab set out on a mission to host virtual conversations related to crisis, hope, and the future. In this interview, Martin Kirk and Matt Birkhold discuss the racial and gendered nature of capitalism, how centering profit stunts our growth, and the ways love can transform oppressive systems.

Martin Kirk is an economist, philosopher, and activist based in the UK. Matt Birkkold is a facilitator, theorist, and co-founder of Visionary Organizing Lab.